Exchange: The objectivity of morality (1)
Dear reader, below is a text written by my friend Paul de-Font Reaulx. We thought it would be fun to write an exchange on a topic we have discussed a lot (without reaching any agreement), namely, the objectivity of morality. Are things right or wrong, really? And what would that even mean? Anyway, please see below for Paul’s introductory argument (as well as some background to what it is we are talking about). I’ll post my reply later on.
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It is my pleasure to start off this discussion on the objectivity of morality, an exemplary non-question according to some, and a lingering existential worry amongst others. I defend the claim that there are objective moral facts – such as the fact that boiling babies is wrong – which determine the rightness and wrongness of actions. By their being objective I mean that they do not depend on the attitude of anyone; boiling a baby is wrong no matter how you feel about it. In other words I will be defending the view that some actions are – lo and behold – actually wrong.
I will refer to my position as ‘moral realism’, and for those interested I will defend a more specific version usually called ‘non-naturalist moral realism’. Moral realism is distinct from ‘error-theory’, which claims that there are no moral facts. It is also distinct from ‘constructivism’, which claims that there are moral facts but these are not independent of our attitudes. For example, a constructivist might hold that boiling babies is wrong because we are in consensus with regards to the abhorrence of the action. A moral realist makes a stronger claim, arguing that even if we happened to be in a community where everyone were happy baby-boilers, baby-boiling would still be wrong, full stop.
Perhaps sweepingly I speculate that moral realism is the position held by most of us before we ever read philosophy, or were exposed to pop-cultural references to Nietzsche. I will in this post argue that this is not a position we have reason to move from. It is natural for a reasonably critical person to turn sceptic at this point, and I intend to dispel such scepticism below. I will do this by first arguing that it is much more intuitive to be a moral realist than any alternative unless we have reason not to, and that the most popular reasons not to be a moral realist are actually quite poor.
‘Alright, so why should I prefer moral realism to constructivism or error-theory?’
I argue that moral realism – not considering objections to it as of yet – is preferable to constructivism and error theory. This positive account can be broken into two propositions:
- It appears that some acts are plainly wrong no matter what anyone thinks about it
- We should believe what appears to be the case unless we have reason to doubt it
Let us start by elaborating on (1). I suggest that when we (or at least most people) reflect on our instinctive attitude to an action such as genocide we find that it is not something like ‘I strongly disapprove of genocide and so do many other people’. Rather it is more definitive, like ‘genocide is morally wrong’. Someone might well reinterpret this instinctive attitude to genocide as actually being mere aversion and closer to the former statement, in light of some of the objections below for example. I do not contest this, but for now I only claim that on the face of it – ‘pre-philosophy’ – actions such as genocide appear to us to be objectively wrong, no matter how we later make sense of those appearances.
Let us progress to (2). This is an intuitive claim which deserves to be pulled out a little bit. Basically I suggest that we should hold as a general principle to believe that things are as they first appear to us, unless we have reasons to doubt those appearances. In some cases, such as if we were in the desert and saw an oasis in the distance, we do have reasons to doubt appearances. However, try to imagine doing the same even if you didn’t have reason to doubt appearances. You would not be able to drink coffee (there’s nothing in the cup), play Civilization (Persia didn’t just conquer my capital) or anything else that makes life bearable. It is reasonable to conclude that we should believe that things are as they appear unless we have reason not to. Finally let us apply the same principle to moral realism. We should doubt that some actions are objectively wrong only once we have reason to doubt that they are.
Now objections have indeed been given, and some provide good reason to question moral realism. My aim for the remainder of this post is negative; to handle some of the most available objections to moral realism, and show that they provide insufficient grounds for rejecting moral realism. I then conclude that we should maintain our belief in there being objective moral facts until better reasons to reject it come our way (that’s Erik’s job).
Let us progress to the negative case. Due to scope I will handle only three objections which I believe constitute the majority of the scepticism to moral realism. If you don’t worry about an objection then you can skip that section.
‘When there is no God to provide morality, where are these facts supposed to come from?’
I would speculate that a worry such as that above underlies a significant portion of popular suspicion of moral realism, and this is why I bring it up. It can be put as an argument using some quintessential existentialist quotes: ‘If there is no God, everything is permitted’ (Ivan Karamazov – Dostoyevsky [arguably]), ‘God is dead’ (Nietzsche), and hence there is no wrong or right. The intuition which drives the argument is that moral facts would have to come from some source – a lawgiver. In the absence of such a source there cannot be objective moral facts.
The argument is actually weak, because Ivan’s cynicism leads to some counterintuitive consequences which can be made clear (as with most things) with the help of Plato, using the main argument in his Ethyphro. Now, if God is the source of morality, then God’s will defines what is right. This means that God could not be evil, because whatever he would will would be the good by definition; that God is good becomes a tautology (a necessary truth). But to some – including myself – this is very counterintuitive. When we say that ‘God is good’ we intend something more than a tautology such as ‘a bachelor is an unmarried man’. Furthermore, consider the case of Abraham and Isaac. Had God allowed Abraham to sacrifice his son this would make us want to question the goodness of God. But we would not be able to, because Abraham’s sacrifice would be good by definition. Unless we want to equate any possible decision of God with the good, we should not accept that God is the source of moral facts.
The alternative is to say that moral facts are independent of God, but that he embodies it perfectly. In this case it is not a tautology to say that God is good, it is an informative statement. But if moral facts are independent of God, then his existence should not obviously have bearing on their existence. In other words, we are about as well off with or without God when it comes to objective moral truths.
‘Fine, but where are all these ‘objective moral facts’? I don’t see them!’
Even if objective moral truths wouldn’t need a lawgiver to exist, that doesn’t mean that they do. In fact, it might strike one as very strange that they would. The argument is roughly that unlike chairs, dogs, trees and other objects, it’s not clear where all these objective moral facts are lying about. My belief that the cat is on the mat is made true by a certain state of the world, namely the cat being on the mat. I also believe that genocide is morally wrong, but what is it that makes this belief true? The fact that would make genocide wrong does not seem to be of the same kind as the cat being on the mat, but rather of a less available non-natural kind which I seem unable to point to. Because moral realism would have to posit such strange entities as non-natural objective moral facts, which we have no reason to believe exist, we should abandon it in favour of the alternatives.
I do not hope to dispel the worry from this objection, but show that it is far from the intimidating aberration it might appear at a distance. I do this by arguing that the same charge can be brought against many things which we do not doubt the objectivity of. The clearest example of such a case is mathematics. Most people believe that mathematics is objective, and subsequently that there are objective mathematical facts which makes ‘1+1=2’ true for example. Sceptics of ‘mathematical realism’ are at least rarer than sceptics of moral realism. It is far from clear however where these mathematical facts are found, and it is easy to argue that they are as elusive as moral facts.
I suggest that if we feel inclined to reject the existence of objective moral facts because of their metaphysical strangeness, then we should also reject other entities which seem to be equally strange, unless we can show that they are different. But we don’t want to reject the existence of objective mathematical facts, and hence we should not reject the existence of objective moral facts from the same argument.
In other words, there are lots of strange entities which we rarely question the existence of, and which we certainly cannot point to. It is easy to be harsher against objective moral facts because somehow they seem even stranger, and are usually in question more than mathematical facts for example, but I find it is far from clear that they should be.
‘But hang on, the obvious difference between moral and mathematical facts is that people disagree about morality all the time, but not mathematics!’
Someone might reasonably point out that a people’s beliefs of what is wrong and right differ, while few people dispute that the square root of 36 is 6. To give more force to the argument, we can observe that cultures through history have differed significantly in what they took to be moral behaviour. Take as an example the view on suicide in medieval Japan compared to medieval Europe, where it was considered honourable in the former and disgraceful in the latter. The fact that humans have differed so much in their moral beliefs and do not converge on some single point suggests that there is no such point to converge towards, and that there are no underlying objective moral truths which our beliefs correspond to after all.
As above I will not be able to refute this charge decisively, but I believe that I can show that it is far from sufficient to settle the question at hand. Firstly, the charge seems to get its force from the idea that we can all see very clearly what is right and wrong in all questions, and despite this we find that our beliefs differ profoundly. This is not the case. Aristotle remarked that ethics is complicated, and often we are far from certain as to how we should act. It is only when we reflect deeply on difficult questions that we might be able to discern an answer. The fact that clear answers are rare does not imply that are no answers.
Therefore we should not at all be surprised that one (or both) view is erroneous in questions such as suicide, which is a difficult moral question. If however we would find a culture which defied what we take to be the most basic moral facts, such as it being wrong to torture innocent people with equal moral value to ourselves for fun, then moral realism should be abandoned. This is an empirical discussion which I cannot dwell on now, but only say that I have yet to find such a case.
Secondly, we do make errors in mathematics as well, and some take a very long time to figure out. The Busemann-Petty problem provides an example for those who are interested, where a solution which was accepted by the mathematical community was later refuted. Therefore the difference between morality and mathematics appears to be one of degree, in that morality is more vague and difficult, rather than being clear-cut. Hence the argument from disagreement fails to show that mathematics is decisively more objective than morality.
‘Wow, that’s awesome, I’m convinced!’
Good to hear! Now I realize not all readers might be as easily persuaded as my imaginary interlocutor, and I will humbly admit that I have not settled the debate. I do hope however to have shown why the most available objections to moral realism fail to provide a serious challenge to it in their more primitive forms. I leave it to Erik to do better.
by Paul de-Font Reaulx
18 August 2016


